None of the allegations made against Dan indicate any criminal wrongdoing. Seriously, WHY! But eventually, youd stop hanging out with that friend. Some time ago, I wrote a post about how I love internet Lets Play-ers Arin Hanson and Dan Avidan, The Game Grumps (or just called Game Grumps). I don't know why this should be a public scandal. 'i' Dan, who co-hosts the gaming Let's Play channel Game Grumps alongside Arin Hanson, was the subject of a Reddit post from r/RantGrumps outlining messages he had reportedly sent to a female fan. an extremely messy affair, so on the par for allegations made via internet. After a few hours the police showed up and shut it down due to so many people being in one place being a huge safety hazard and the second day was canceled. Is it just the culture? I don't think anyone who wants to be taken seriously for his ideas on game design should ever actively shit on a beloved game not only because it's just rude but also highlights how much they cave . Thats the same as saying: If you dont like it, dont watch it, and thats annoying because they just refuse to acknowledge any criticism which almost always points out to Arins business mentality. All the talk of grooming has really ruined any chance of talking about the issues and power dynamics that come about when you fuck your young fans. So they rant about it. Paul Tamburro is the Editor-in-Chief of GameRevolution and PlayStation LifeStyle, and as such is also the final boss. These people need hobbies. Response to GameGrumps, more like FartGrumps Apr 17, 2021 (edited Apr 17, 2021) At 4/16/21 04:58 PM, FrodoDwaggins23 wrote: If that leads to GameGrumps shutting down, then its worth it. PROTIP: You can find Part 2 here: https://www.reddit.com/r/rantgrumps/comments/hr21vr/game_grumps_major_controversies_list_part_2/. Everyone there has brain worms. Coming only a few days after this post was made, Arin tweeted out asking if he should make a statement about BLM on the Game Grumps Twitter. Additionally, Twitter user @Ryuupastel who was not involved in the publishing of the accusations, but whose tweet containing the allegations of grooming went viral has reportedly walked back their involvement in circulating the belief that Dans behavior was evidence of grooming. Umthe allegations aren't fake, they're just not criminal. In fact, on a recent Q&A show theyve been doing, they answered these concerns on a general level; Arin reads, We receive a lot of comments about people who just dont enjoy the show anymore. 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A compilation video of every time Jon or the Grumps were publicly asked about the break-up. Every person at Game Grumps HQ was like "Yeah, we'll probably get 100 maybe 200 people" with three commercials and like 7 days notice. Disgusting. As the years went by, and she became of legal age, their conversations turned into sexts, and eventually led to her meeting him backstage at a Game Grumps Live show where sexual activity occurred. I honestly dont get it, theyve been involved in so much drama to the point that its very clear that most people who work on the channel (especially Arin) are all a bunch of assholes. Danganronpa is a Japanese video game franchise created by Kazutaka Kodaka and developed and owned by Spike Chunsoft (formerly Spike). "I stand by the fact that any interactions that took place of a sexual nature with the person in question were done so when she was 22 years old and we . Im inclined to agree Rant Grumps is a tedious, unhappy place, and its not a fun way to spend time. Change), You are commenting using your Twitter account. But Dan is still selling Under the Covers Track 6 "Rock with you" a song by Michael Jackson as well as having the video still up on their YouTube channel. Hot New Top Rising. The f. Away. I'm positive I've missed some as well, but I'll try my best to keep this post updated for any I missed and if/when more controversies happen. And they should be allowed to openly express that. Is it just the culture?" But whats frustrating about this is what really grinds my gears. On March 21st, 2021, Redditor /u/NotBlarg posted a thread in /r/rantgrumps,[1] a subreddit devoted to complaining about Game Grumps, alleging that they had received video and photographic evidence from an anonymous woman that Dan Avidan had engaged in sexual activity and potentially groomed her. While no one knows exactly what happened, the two seem to be on not the greatest terms. When people dug a bit further, they found out that Ben has been constantly doing this for years (One, two, three, four) and even took a picture with them when they were 14. Mar 25, 2021 at 01:40PM EDT local_offer Check price # 2 By Shannon Raphael. After stating they would never do this, and if they did people wanting them to go the Warner Bros route, Game Grumps started deleting videos deemed "problematic". Background. game grumps got itself into hot water recently, and it reminded me of a whooole laundry list of stuff they've done. This wouldn't be a bad thing in theory, but it's a bit more dire than that. ORIGINAL STORY: Popular YouTube channel Game Grumps Dan Avidan has been accused of grooming a female fan, with text exchanges and a video being shared to the RantGrumps subreddit claiming that the 42-year-old pursued a sexual relationship with a woman he first came into contact with when she was under 18. It certainly comes off as them trying to sweep it under the rug. Not realizing the locations were random Arin and Dan were unhappy with the helpfulness of the walkthrough. /*# sourceMappingURL=https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/chunkCSS/UsersCountIndicator.2ab8dda40f822a31d31c_.css.map*/the time he dropped off a person who was black and had to say the word 30 times to get it out of his system. Keep an eye on the game-changing terrain and weather as you lead a, The much-loved zombie saga is back with a unique formula of horror, dark humor and over the top zombie-slaying, spanning an epic pulp adventure. 425. pinned by moderators. I really admire the Grumps approach to the criticism; chalking it up to changes in personal taste over time and explaining that its a completely natural thing feels incredibly mature. Ben has stated multiple times that the tweets he made were "old" and that people took things out of context months later. Though the allegation was taken seriously and led to a wave of backlash on social media against Avidan, further investigation into the allegation led people to doubt if Avidan was guilty of any wrongdoing. For a show about two guys, Arin Hanson and Dan Avidan, sitting on a couch playing video games, it is absolutely baffling at the sheer amount of controversies they have had. Twitter users @MikeyPanik[4] and @Weimerzeimer[5] posted screenshots of fans on social media reviewing the allegations and concluding that Avidan was not guilty of any wrongdoing (shown below). Search Reddit posts and comments - see average sentiment, top terms, activity per day and more Only members of game grumps that actually seem nice are Dan (though hes still had a few fuck ups but either way hes leagues better than Arin) and Ross hasnt really done anything bad as far as I know, although Im pretty sure he isnt even a member of the channel anymore ( Im not sure I havent kept up on the channel in a long time). Search Reddit posts and comments - see average sentiment, top terms, activity per day and more Like any self-respecting online fan community, the Game Grumps have a subreddit community where fans can talk about recent videos, share memes, and generally discuss the channel. Tumblr. I love how one of the controversies is just named "Suzy". Not only what he said was factually wrong and toxic to the community but also harmful to any future game designers. The circumstances have some remaining points which warrant discussion, but at this point it's a lot of muddy ground to tread. You're speaking of this right here. It certainly comes off as them trying to sweep it under the rug. And also, weve been doing this for so long, Im sure after a certain point its like I get it. Making up accusations of someone grooming/being a pedo is a bit extreme. She's still fully saying that he's a terrible person. Honestly, Rantgrumps is kind of a drama-mongering hate circlejerk so if this is motivated by "wehhh no jon no funny" and not, like, actual concern for young women pursuing the musicians they adore, then I'm gonna be pissed. I really, truly think there is a segment of miserable Fs who need to go away. As far as us enjoying it and doing it, weve been doing the same thing. I mean, a lot of folk here instantly outed him as a paedophile and groomer based on the false evidence posted on r/rantgrumps. Adam. Arin has to know by this point, which means he's ok that behavior. Adam. User banned (permanent): Inflammatory comparison, not reading the source linked in OP, account in junior phase. And they should be allowed to openly express that. Oh, sure. Thanks so much for putting this together! Califloydian Feb 22, 2020 @ 8:12pm. Do we know what the potential reason for this was? Can someone who stuck with this explain how the grooming allegation got debunked, because so far all I can find are the arguments "she was one month from turning 18 and the victim says she doesn't think it's grooming, just gross abuse of power when confronted by an angry internet mob" which isn't really enough for me to let him off the hook in terms of being a creepy asshole. by Like from what I've heard it's bad cause they don't praise everything the grumps doI mean I'm probably an asshole but from what I've seen from RG they just wanna share issues they have with modern game grumps and usually want them to improve. That makes me feel oolllld. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. However, as people reviewed the evidence, many began to doubt that Avidan was guilty of any wrongdoing, as it appears there was no sexual conversation between the pair when the girl was underage and that their sexual relationship occurred when she was 22. A video capture of a conversation with the alleged fan has been shared to social media and can be viewed below: Here is a video too to show its not fake pic.twitter.com/Y4M7ckhr6w. So much so there was a, now deleted, compilation of him saying this. There was a live show in New York with similar vibes during a convention where they let people who had a convention badge into their show where they additionally sold tickets. In sum, Arin chews out Axel Rose for for using the N-word. I said this in the Game Grumps OT, but basically I'm happy there was no grooming and by extension no grooming victims. Several different threads were created for this controversy. provided a selfie of Dan and an edited out picture of his contact information, And it is likely her he admitted dating in Oct 2017, Ben asked a current 17 year old for nudes and claimed that he got "that plus more", took a picture with them when they were 14, This video does a better job of explaining this then I every will, the time he dropped off a person who was black and had to say the word 30 times to get it out of his system, In Mario Bros U, Dan calls a 1-up a 1-Man and Arin asks him why it is gendered, there was a, now deleted, compilation of him saying this, Ninja Sex Party music video of a Michael Jackson song, Dan and Arin both say that they can not align themselves with that kind of stuff, Under the Covers Track 6 "Rock with you" a song by Michael Jackson, recording his now ex-girlfriend having a paranoid schizophrenic episode after he hid her medication, all while talking to her in a cartoony voice, Arin Appreciation Day: A holiday celebrated every three months on the 18th all about Arin Hanson, Another person named their child after Arin, Attacking a fan for gender swapped Dream Daddy fan art, Arin tweeted out asking if he should make a statement about BLM, statement supporting BLM and apologizing for Game Grumps' past racism, She also addressed one of her leaked tweets from last year, she wouldn't have said anything if no one brought it up, she made it about her when she said "I don't appreciate the shaming", people wanting them to go the Warner Bros route, some of the character voices haven't aged well, video that gave a fan a seizure thanks to Ben's edits, Ben previous had privately contacted someone on Twitter, his band that appears to have ended in 2014, a therapist hypnotizing and having sex with a little girl. ). Queue irony follow up. How is this saying Weve never changed. (LogOut/ tweet. Doesnt matter if you think theyre funny, people should acknowledge they arent good people. Arin has been calling it a 1-Man for years. Should fans and fans have a say over the kind of content a creator produces, even though they are not financially involved? After one of Dan's Ex-friends released a play about the Me Too movement, someone noticed similarities between a character in the play and Dan. I have made mistakes in the past, and I apologize if my actions or words ever made anyone upset, but those mistakes were never ill-intentioned, exploitative or illegal in any capacity. These stories are exactly the same ones I have personally verified. At least one game was sold with a personal note left inside (The person was cool with it though) and Arin even reportedly sold the RWBY figures the deceased Monty Oum gave him. [7], [1] Reddit Video Evidence of the Dan Accusations, [7] Game Revolution Game Grumps Dan Avidan responds to sexual misconduct allegations Its simply untrue, When the allegations are so extremely bad and false that the KYM article was made after the whole thing was already disproved. And yeah, maybe youd point to a lot of my posts on this blog why should I spend time writing aboutFantastic Beasts: The Crimes of GrindelwaldorGame of ThronesSeason 8 if R/RantGrumps shouldnt post about something theyre dissatisfied with? Yes, "Not a pedophile/groomer" is a low bar to clear, but it's a pretty significant one since that's much much worse than what he's actually accused of, and illegal. Im getting serious TanaCon vibes from the garage sale. R/rantGrumps is a subreddit that gives fans of the popular webshow series "Game Grumps" the chance to vent about problems they have with anything related to the show. An actual drain on humanity. Game Grumps: Dan and Arin playin' games, gettin' mad and being bad! The poster of the allegations posting history is dedicated to compiling exhaustive lists of the channels controversies, many of which are as benign as criticisms of their video editing or thumbnails. Talk about the perfect place to drop some . They are the worst people to be around and you should avoid them at all costs. I really think it sucks that nobody's allowed to express bad experiences they've had with somebody famous without it turning into "YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO RUIN THIS PERSON'S LIFE". Jon has also discussed the Grumps in the following podcast appearances: Sleepycast (briefly mentioned in the intro, time with the Grumps discussed further); H3 Podcast; Schmucks Podcast. Added ", Any future talk about this subject would then be removed from the Game Grumps subreddit, Dan's Ex-friends released a play about the Me Too movement, similarities between a character in the play and Dan, saying that Dan gave them the old ejaculate and evacuate, He was doing this from late 2013 to 2017 and maybe even beyond that. Now theyre clutching at the vestiges of retro GG and venting about it with the false hope that it might actually positively affect the show when in reality it never will. Theyd be baffled, and rightfully so. Since Jafari's departure, the channel has expanded to . This video has a great summary of the situation if you don't want to click all the links. And people wonder why I dont watch GG anymore. For a show about two guys, Arin Hanson and Dan Avidan, sitting on a couch playing video games, it is absolutely baffling at the sheer amount of controversies they have had. This new information reportedly comes from a user who claims to have contacted u/NotBlarg, the user who first posted the message in r/RantGrumps including the accusations made by the anonymous woman. What else would abuse of power mean here? Its hard to not like something youve invested so much time into and you just want things to go back to how they used to be. This post is designed to compile all the major controversies Game Grumps has had over the years. and: (This girl's) experience with Dan matches the pattern of the girls that have come forward. Update: A Dan fan blog has come forward stating that Dan did indeed sleep with fans. Most Annoying Sound: Ross' "voice acting", his shrill high voice that's all over the place, most notably in Sakura Spirit and Undertale.The Grumps frequently groan at his attempts. While several tweets are indeed months old, the Reddit post was created on May 17th and Ben's last tweet was on May 8th, a difference of nine days. R/RantGrumps only answer to this is a sarcastic IF U NO LIKE, Y U WATCH? or some variation of that, which is equally hilarious the fiftieth time you read it as it is the first time. In order to defeat him, you must jump on his head three times. Eventually Dan says the person's actual full name out loud and even commented saying "if he gets a wave of hate from our fans, won't he be surprised". Dan and Arin both say that they can not align themselves with that kind of stuff. cant really think of anything else that qualifies as abuse of power in this situation besides grooming, but alright. Is there not one other facet to this persons life? There is no indication that she has lied about anything and she should not be attacked just for telling her story. Groupies have been a thing forever, not sure why Dan should be singled out. Press rantgrumps Original. (Product 1: Vendor $2.99, Suzy $80. In a stream Ding Dong and Julian expressed their opinion of Game Grumps, then upcoming game, Dream Daddy, which advertised itself as a gay dad dating simulator. Rising. No information given. to view a random entry. They find a thing that lets them feel part of a small community, the community evolves and leaves them behind, and rather than evolve with it or move on they stand on the sidelines to provide absolutely nothing useful or positive. I have left everything as is for posterity's sake and to give the complete story, so people will leave him alone and so he doesn't have to keep explaining himself, however if requested, I will remove this part no questions asked. Seasonal Rot: Many instances (April-July 2015 for example), but the September 2015 videos are considered among the worst of that time.. Hatedom subreddit /r/rantgrumps holds the view that anything Game Grumps made . However, the poster of the allegations motives have also been called into question. According to the Reddit user, u/NotBlarg said that the birthday message was not from Dan but from a friend, and was intended to establish the age of the accuser. I really think it sucks that nobody's allowed to express bad experiences they've had with somebody famous without it turning into "YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO RUIN THIS PERSON'S LIFE". A lot of them dont want the channel to die. You dont gotta beat yourself up, you dont gotta beat others up, its totally okay, and valid to have an opinion thats different than it used to be. Command an army in strategic, turn-based combat as a tactical adviser for the Orange Star Army. r/GameGrumps now has a full frontpage and comment sections exclusively hating r/RantGrumps and promoting its deletion, with great vitriol. 2020-10-21 23:37:13 A post about Children on Edibles goes slugfest of comments when someone says no to drugs. Grooming Allegations Against 'Game Grumps' Host Dan Avidan Explained, r/gamegrumps - A General Timeline with the Drama that ensued (with sources and more points to address! *laughter* Weve been doing the exact same thing since Grumps began. This task is the easiest in the game, it doesnt require much thinking as he did. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. To break down everything in that post in a little TL;DR: the Grumps seem like genuinely nice guys, have mostly avoided controversy, and after a while like a lot of online content creators you regularly follow they begin to feel like your friend. I've been a part of this subreddit for most of these. Nothings changed, other than us growing up and having different things happen in our lives., Arin: Yeah, I was 26 when Dan came on the show. seaside, ca news shooting; does the entity have zero texas gross receipts? Its an extremely toxic subreddit that tries to take every minor issue to the extreme, and pretend their complaints are "valid criticisms" as an excuse. i love them and their games very much and its so fucking insane how stating a very respectful opinion gets someone doxxed and outed. The guy was literally and unapologetically part of kiwifarms? They advertised it to their channel and despite 800 people RSVPing on Facebook, 500 people showing up when Arin did an impromptu meet up at Wendy's a few years ago, and Arin owning a touring company as well as Game Grumps doing live shows that sell out over 1000 seats, they only expected 100 people to show. The 42-year-old co-hosts YouTube. Ben is an editor for Game Grumps and since day one the response to him has been mixed at best, with many people finding his edits annoying, intrusive, and in one case, gave someone a seizure. If someone says they feel hurt by the way they were treated by someone, I feel inclined to believe that they were in fact hurt by the way they were treated by someone. The real controversy comes after. The series surrounds a group of high school students who are coerced into murdering each other by a creature named Monokuma. As if it wasnt that surprising at all. The situation ended when Arin had to step in and make a comment saying to stop all talk of this, as she apologized, that people were fabricating evidence, that art is subjective and fluctuates in cost, and that Suzy came to him crying asking "should I just stop being on Game Grumps". Do not make posts attacking the victim. With the amount of times that Jon has said he cant talk about it, I wouldnt be surprised if, as Game Grumps grew bigger and bigger and became more of like an actual business instead of just a YouTube channel that made money, Arin asked Jon to sign a non-disclosure agreement regarding their breaking up. During one of the Knuckle stages in Sonic Adventure, Arin and Dan read a walkthrough to help find the location of the three emerald pieces. Was there ever any follow up on that? On March 21st, 2021, Redditor /u/NotBlarg posted a thread in /r/rantgrumps, a subreddit devoted to complaining about Game Grumps, alleging that they had received video and photographic evidence from an anonymous woman that Dan Avidan had engaged in sexual activity and potentially groomed her. Not productive. And the way the channel has been evolving (or rather, not been evolving, but instead declining in quality) has upset them. That was agonizing to watch coming from them. Suzy quickly followed, but people were quick to point out that Arin apologized years ago while she only apologized because she was afraid of the backlash. When [our band] got to the point where people said Man, their new stuff isnt as good as their old stuff, my buddy Joe was like BRO! It's unclear at this point who reached out to who in the passing of this info. I have to admit, I understand the passion behind R/RantGrumps. The post provided several pieces of evidence, including their first contact made in September of 2013, showing the girl reaching out to Dan (shown below). While she was underage, she privately contacted him as a fan and more than happily engaged in conversation. VIEW ALL. Brian, from Dan's band Ninja Sex Party, and Suzy, Arin's wife, immediately went on damage control saying that the game is not a cash grab, and that Ding Dong and Julian had nothing to do with beta testing/work on the game. Thats like a huge thing! So, thanks for being with us for so long when you could even have a changing opinion like that!. This isn't really a Game Grumps originated mindset; a lot of online creators over the years have embraced and encouraged this idea that having anything even remotely negative to say about pretty much anything is toxic and unnecessary and that anyone who does is "just a hater," is secretly suffering from severe personal insecurities, etc. Despite which side you fall on, they did not do a good job removing the problematic videos. It being a thing doesnt make it less creepy. Overview Discussions Events Members Comments. Your expertise is needed as you move land, air, and naval units across the battlefield. From doxings, lies, racism, negligence, hypocrisy, pedophilia, scams, to insulting and even manipulating fans. In Mario Bros U, Dan calls a 1-up a 1-Man and Arin asks him why it is gendered. If this non-apology is as far as Dan is willing to go, then that's my breaking point, personally. The whole relationship between Game Grumps and their irritated fans make me think in general terms about online content creators, and how much they owe their fans. Take down enemy squads and capture towns and bases to secure victory and keep the peace. card. But maybe I'm missing something? The rest of the video is a compilation of Arin saying the N-word. Is there anywhere where I can read about this? So this got complicated and hard to follow pretty fast. I have done my best to stick to just the facts and to remove my opinions, though some may have slipped through the cracks. Hmm we are lucky its the main avian consumer of said fruit "Twitter" look at how lovingly its munching on it isn't gorgeous doesn't it fill you with joy? Press J to jump to the feed.